Recently we have seen lot of cat fights in the Majilis. So what is really going on in the minds of the cat fighters? Meow! I think the cat spelled out some letters to begin with the story. ‘R’ starts with his nick name and first name starts with ‘M’ and ends with ‘A’. Who is this guy? Meow! Yeah...!Once upon a time there was this seaman who travelled across the world as a merchant crew and witnessed the beauty of the Mother Nature. After a decade of seagoing services the man came to realize that there is an awkwardness in the sky when the sun sets and rises from the horizon. By analysing the Mother Nature from his cabinet porthole, he believed he has been witnessed something someone never ever have been witnessed before. With his absurd mind, this man thought he has been witnessed a miracle but that was quite contrary to the scientific law of the nature in which we live in.
After witnessing the miracle he kept himself until he arrives at the first port of call but when he reached the crowd with his miracle people thought he was mad and lost in the nature. Since then, he never gave it up and knew that there were people out there who might have pay some attention to his narrative experiences. He kept quiet until he gets home – The Sweet Home Maldives.
As his footsteps into the white sandy beach his first intention was to draw a crowd and tell this story. Fortunately, he got a chance to appear in a local TV show in the Maldives. He thought this was the best chance to reveal his long kept secret and appeared in the show with his certainty mind.
Believe it or not the pathetic story that he pronounced was quite extraordinary. He said that when he was a seaman while travelling across the world in the huge oceans he witnessed a phenomenon where none could have ever been imagined. In the eyes of this holly seaman the story goes like this. The sun sets in the horizon in the muddy water and rises in the eastern horizon with the same beginning.
Meow! What a miracle holly seaman and people believed in your stories at your electorate. Unfortunately, people like us rejected his miracle and believed that the earth is in a spherical form and would not have been occurred that scene against the law of the nature.
However, some people believed his miracle and this holly seaman became the icon of the entertainment industry in the Maldives. The very first appearance was in a song with a lady who is well-known to the industry. He appeared in the scenes by driving a dumper and sang the melodious song in the setting sun. The next few months this song was a hit in the mainstream media and he became the icon of the Mollywood as a delighting star!
Finally, one of the Atoll has been hypnotised and abducted with his ridiculed mind. This holly seaman is now in the parliament telling his bed time stories but the twenty first century minds confronted him and revealed his foolish miracle in the Majilis. Then, it became a fight and they wrestle against this holly seaman with every stand on his way.
So what is the outcome of this fairytale? What it tells us about this holly seaman and his ability to make laws and rules of a country where he believed sun goes down and sets into the muddy water and rises from the east with the same cause. This is the potential and competency of this man's brain and I leave the rest with you for your own judgments. MEOW! Do you guys know who this guy is? Leave a comment with your guess! Meow!
"Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water" Koran 18:86
ReplyDeletehttp://www.quran.com/18/86
Do not try to teach us the Quran with your redicule mind.....
ReplyDeleteThis is the verse that you quoted here;
Surah Al-Kahf 86
حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِنْدَهَا قَوْمًا قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَنْ تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَنْ تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنً
The Quran doesnot mean the sun is setting in the MURKY water. The quran are of high poetical eloquence as for to challenge the Pagan Arabs as proud writers of good poetry.
So lets analyze the verse part by part; "Until when he reached the setting of the sun" this part of the verse does not say "Zul Qarunain" reached the place where sun sets LITERALLY but the verse shows the direction where he reached facing the Maghrib (west-this is what we use even in today's term for pointing direction to the west east and so on).
Then, the "setting of the sun" is an Arabic IDIOM meaning the western most point and also we use the same today. Therefore, idioms should not be translated LITERALLY.
"..he found it sets in a spring of murkey water". The Quran OBVIOUSLY describing what Zul Qarunain (Alexendar the Great)SAW - the image of sun setting in a dark body of water. Since, the Quran is describing this from Zul Qarnain's DIRECT POINT OF VIEW. Because the Quran is quite explit here in doing that. In fact, there is no problem of WHAT ZUL QARNAIN saw. This is what the guy saw (The Mollywood Star) as like Zul-Qarnain.
Try standing at a beach during the time of sun set and you will be able to see the sun "entering the far sea" but this is what appeared to the onlookers not what really happens.
The AUTHOR of the Quran knows the earth, moon sun and its in between and knows the spherical forms of the heavenly bodies and this is what Allah (aw) has to say about the spherical form of moon and sun. Therefore, it REFUTES all your FALSE CLAIMS.
Two verses in the Qur'an refer to the orbits of the sun and moon. After mentioning the sun and the moon, God says:
"Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion" (Qur'an 21:33; 36:40).
REEKO MOOOSA THA? kekekeke
ReplyDeleteSahih al-Bukhari:
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Narrated Abu Dharr:
I entered the mosque while Allah's Apostle was sitting there. When the sun had set, the Prophet said, "O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this (sun) goes?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "It goes and asks permission to prostrate, and it is allowed, and (one day) it, as if being ordered to return whence it came, then it will rise from the west." Then the Prophet recited, "That: "And the sun runs on its fixed course (for a term decreed)," (36.38) as it is recited by 'Abdullah.
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 528:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I asked the Prophet regarding the Verse:--'And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term decreed for it.' (36.28) He said, "Its fixed course is underneath Allah's Throne."
whats your problem cuting and pasting of hadeeths and Quranic verses and btw what's your objective here?
ReplyDeleteTry to make us look fool of what we believe???
I will explain you in plain english. The Qur’anic statement is clearly metaphorical, and this is the way it has been understood by most of the classical and modern commentators of the Qur’an specially Bucaille!
Also different authors and narrators of hadeeth claim that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) also explained it in a LITERAL sense. You have quoted a hadith in which the Prophet (PBUH) is reported as saying with the Quranic verse.
The fact of the matter is that it is NOT a coincidence that verses of the Quran agree fully with astronomy. The sun DOES indeed have a fixed course which it goes along, to believe that this is a coincidence and Muhammad's views regarding is contradictory to science would be very weak indeed.
The hadith you brought up doesnt contradicts any astronomical fact! It seems your main problem with that hadeeth is the fact that Muhammad (PBUH) claims the sun prostrates for Allah and asks for permission to go back to where it was before etc. There is NOT a single mistake there, I would like to see it, all Muhammad (PBUH) is saying is that the sun prostrates before god and asks if it can rise from the place it left, and it is given permission, it does not mean the sun goes and hides away and the whole earth becomes dark. It is only for specific locations where the sun has left and the area has become dark, the sun then asks permission if it can return to those areas thus giving daylight. Nothing wrong with that. As for Allah is in the heavenly thrown and so on, you are just guessing and assuming with your absurd minds.
Considering that hadith the commentators fails to understand is that the real message of this Hadeeth. It was not meant to teach astronomy. Its clear message is that sun is a slave of Allah, moving always through His Will. The hadith brings out that message very powerfully so that even the most illiterate Bedouin would understand it fully.
Even today the astronomers, when calculating the time of sunrise and sunset, use a mathematical model in which the sun revolves around the earth. If that is acceptable for scientific work as it makes calculations easier, why is it questionable, when it makes communication easier and try to understand the believers that everything is SLAVE of Allah?
The hadiths you brought up pose no real problem. When carefully read and examined, one will see no error, one will only see error if one is trying to find an error, which is what critics like you basically wants.
Here there is no point in making comments on every verse and Hadeeth you put forth here cos your mind is made up that Islam is wrong. Therefore, anything you see about Islam you will always find things which is contradictory to your philosphical mind. No one can change you unless you make it an effort to understand the truth!
Sahih Bukhari
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Narrated ‘Amru bin Maimun: "During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them."
This is not a hadith of the Prophet (PBUH). It is not even something that `Amr' claims he told to the Prophet (PBUH). It is just `Amr’s PERSONAL ACCOUNT of some things he saw from those animals. It is his mere own interpretation that those animals were stoning for the punishment of adultery. With logical mind there is no way that he could have known the animals true motives.
ReplyDeleteThere is NO Islamic teaching to be gleaned from this account to punish animals.
Ibn Hajar writes in Fath al-Bari:
It is not necessary that an event that looks like adultery and stoning was really a case of adultery and capital punishment. He merely described it that way because it looked like these things. It does not mean that legal accountability was being applied to animals.
The key phrase in the above hadith is “During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance”, which you have obviously overlooked.
According to the principles of criticism of the hadith we can therefore reject any hadith if it is not fit into the following category. These are the principles some of the narators have been taken into account;
As far as the 'Matn' is concerned, the following principles of criticism of the Hadith are laid down:
(1) The Hadith should not be contrary to the text or the teaching of the Qur’an or the accepted basic principles of Islam.
(2) The Hadith should not be against the dictates of reason or laws of nature and common experience.
(3) The Hadith should not be contrary to the Traditions which have already been accepted by authorities as reliable and authentic by applying all principles.
(4) The Hadith which sings the praises and excellence of any tribe, place or persons should be generally rejected
(5) The Hadith that contains the dates and minute details of the future events should be rejected.
(6) The Hadith that contains some remarks of the Prophet which are not in keeping with the Islamic belief of Prophethood and the position of the Holy Prophet or such expressions as may not be suitable to him, should be rejected.
It seems you are going through a Hadith from a critic’s website and pasting it here. To understand the Hadith and Quaranic verse someone needs to understand the science of it, why it has been revealed where it has been revealed and in relation to what matter it has been revealed.
Therfore, critics will still not be able to make the charge that the Prophet(P) had ordered the stoning of a she-monkey. It is simply a recollection of a Companion (R) of the Prophet (PPUH) regarding this maltreatment of animals during the pre-Islamic period of 'Jahiliyyah', which is in total contradiction to Islamic principles and norms., the claim that this hadith is the basis from which the lapidation for married adulterers in Islam came about is nothing more than a damp firecracker hurled by the haters and enemies of Islam. That their view of Islam had been tainted by deep ignorance, hatred, paranoia and xenophobia is no big secret, and this latest polemic is ipso facto a confirmation of their current condition.
If you are here to seek knowledge & learning the Fiqh, please find a proper channel and this has to be solely to praise of acting up on it. IF THIS IS for the sake of argument and discussion then I am not here to rebut it.
Allah knows best!